I'm not even part of a frat but using the select few worst examples and extrapolating that to the whole group of frats is pure ignorance. What We Do. where do the pre professional greek organizations come into play with this though, out of curiosity? Who cares about frats? even then, what about the sororities or frats that have been responsible and enforcing negative consequences for going out? This is how I feel as well. But it is noticeable that no other parks on the whole South Coast have permanent tent encampments. There is an increasing call from former members of college fraternities and sororities to “Abolish Greek Life” (AGL). I used to dread having to go anywhere near the frat houses. i know of one panhellenic sorority who completely shut down their house this year because they didn't want to endanger anyone by making their girls live in, which i think was a good move on their part. It was the cheapest option for most people. IFC chapter presidents and the administrators in the CSI will likely discuss calls to abolish Greek Life in a meeting on July 13, according to Corsiglia’s email. Projects. This sounds a lot like my experience 15-20 years ago at Cal. You don't need to funnel your donation money through your organization so they get a tax break, just donate it yourself. Thread locked for brigading from (primarily) r/frat. More specifically, students at colleges like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, North Carolina, and others are requesting the abolition of all historically-white fraternities and sororities. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/berkeley. But abolishing them looks to me like collective punishment, and hasn't the world and the US (in violation of its founding principles) done enough of that in history? What We Do Chapters Current Page: Projects Contact News Read Me Take Action Projects. In the wake of our nation’s moral reckoning with racism, a movement to Abolish Greek Life was born. Not to mention the rampant racism, classism, and sexual harassment allegations that come from there. This is understandable, a lot of people don’t, but if that’s the case you can’t just cancel an organization because their ways don’t agree with yours. The more you try to control others, the more you will suffer. Also, just because 1 frat parties, doesn’t mean they all do. Join Us. With the recent email that was sent out regarding COVID rates surging because of frat parties, what are your opinions on whether or not we should abolish Greek life? Fraternities and sororities are built on systems of exclusion, oppression, and violence. What We Do. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. also why is this comment controversial lol. Leave the students to fraternize as they see fit. The type of students that throw parties go here or cc, abolishing greek life wouldn't make those types of people stop throwing parties. Contact. i definitely see your reasoning for abolishing greek life, but if we do abolish all, where do we draw the line of what we are removing from campus? I understand the greek orgs they want to ban are the ‘white’ ones, and not the ‘black’ ones, but it irks me when people call them the white ones. I'm just a Berkeley citizen, who's lived here for most of my life. How bout the 50 houses on dp partying every weekend? But things are changing and becoming better in the Greek Life system. It’s not just Greek life my dude. or even the multicultural greek orgs? After the death of Timothy Piazza, once again the history of fraternities must remind college administrators that Greek life causes deaths https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/06/30/harvard-rescinds-policy-against-fraternities-sororities-other-single-gender-organizations/. Chapters. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/I also really feel for some of the AC Transit drivers. A subreddit for the community of UC Berkeley as well as the surrounding City of Berkeley, California. Inspired by the Abolish Greek life Movement at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, which has received national attention, students at Tech have now formed their own coalition on the matter.. There were some rich, white dudes, but people came from all over and we worked on payment plans for brothers that had hit hard times. IV now has about 50 tents of unhoused folk in it parks... don't see the rules being followed at those. She later went to a frat party just to see what it was like and said it was the worst party experience she'd ever had. Being in Greek Life, knowing what I know, experiencing what I experienced ... Abolish Stanford Greek life: Confessions from an ex-sorority president. I could write a book on this matter chock-full of personal experiences but just writing this post is giving me a headache. If you’re going to try and discredit my argument, please do so without arrogance. Many frats and sororities give a place for a lot of ppl to meet friends, bond, and do dope shit. 5/14/18 6:21 pm. The only reason people join greek life is because they can't move on from high school and don't give me that philanthropy and academics bullshit. The best thing to do right now is to keep calm and reduce your risk by not getting close to anyone who likes to drink alcohol in a group. "other people are partying too" yes and? what about the students who are part of multicultural sororities for an actual community to help them embrace their identity? And above all, they thrive off of this toxic brotherhood culture, where many have fallen victim to rape coverups and denial. I’ve always been anti-Greek life. Frats bois aren’t partying because they’re in frats, they’re in frats because they wanna party. News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. Don't forget that they're putting us, the non-student population of Berkeley, at risk here too by partying and spreading Coronavirus. We cannot adequately reform Greek life. About. They're causing us more harm than good considering most of the parties happening and COVID cases are within greek life. Plus I seriously doubt "most" of the parties are coming from greek life, greek life is just the only group that is getting held accountable. @abolish_greeklife on Instagram | [email protected] Multicultural orgs are iffy because hazing within them is a whole different (dangerous and harmful) issue but it's a conversation for a different day. There are hundreds of parties going in iv which include those who are CC kids and UC kids who are not in Greek life. Chapters. Start by signing the petition. Thank you for speaking out for Greek Life. I know my message was somewhat aggressive but this is the result of witnessing constant abuse. i just don't think that's fair. Chapters [10]: Chapman University (@abolishgreeklifechapman) Denison University (@abolishdukeifcandpanhellenic) Duke University (@du_abolishgreek) Emory University (@abolishemorygreeklife) University of Richmond (@abolishrichmondgreeklife) Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I learned more as president of my fraternity than I did in any of my coursework at Berkeley and many of those guys are still my best friends to this day. The only part of your argument I have a problem with is “a low 3.0 in humanities”.... idk I feel like this statement was unnecessary, it puts down student’s accomplishments and major/passions regardless of whether they’re involved in Greek life or not... has a very god-complex tone to me. I'm not a UC student. With that being said, even if they aren’t associated with the school, you could still have organized fraternities. I can't really say whether Cal should or shouldn't ban them. when we think of greek life, we might automatically think of these reckless frat boys and sorority girls who are partying, but it is much bigger than that so do we get rid of them all or do we find a way to remove only the problematic chapters? Lol yea i was at first a little interested in rushing for a sorority but after looking thru their instagrams and seeing like only 20% of their members not being thin rich white girls I was completely turned off from them trying to project a certain lifestyle ... seems like an exclusive partying club mostly based on looks and money to me ‍♀️, How did you discern the wealth of each soroity girl mentioned? Once, I was walking with my instrument (pulling it behind me on wheels) for a gig near the International House. Redditors not having a clue about Greek life. Then, send us your story. One is not easier or harder than the other, they are just different and require different aptitudes or skills to do well. By Steve Connelly . Jim Piazza Not Pushing To Abolish Greek Life, Seeks Nationwide Reform. Greek life promotes a social hierarchy that feeds off of class status, gender status, racial status, homophobia, and transphobia. When I was in the hospital a few years back, my frat bros came to my bedside. If you aren't aware, multiple houses have already faced serious sanctions for it and if there's proof/pictures the respective greek councils look into it. (pre professional orgs are MUCH more inclusive and understanding from what i've seen and I see nothing wrong with benefiting because of academic merit). r/abolishgreeklife: Greece is not a real country. You must be one of those “respect me and my choices, but I have no respect for you or yours” types. EDIT (again): If you're going to defend greek life and say they aren't the only ones partying then you better go just as hard in holding them accountable. Not to mention, there’s still research being done on the long term effects of covid, so we don’t even know what kind of health problems people could experience down the road. 3,719 Followers, 1,786 Following, 31 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Abolish Greek Life (@abolish_greeklife) As a member of another fraternity here on campus, it's nice to see our voices heard. Yup, and greek life is sanctioning houses if there is proof, last I heard students who throw parties aren't facing any consequences. There is a lot of good work to do here in IV, helping our unhoused and essential workers be safer too, in a kind and generous way. (the rest of this petition currently refers to frats only, but we are currently updating it to address sororities too!) Be happy and be your best. New Hope in Old Appalachia It all begins with an idea. At least say 'suspend' greek life cuz of covid rather than just abolish. When I got divorced, my brothers were my support system. I know I started this thread as a criticism of the COVID parties going on, but it’s important to note that there’s a deep rooted issue here. Someone made an Instagram page for my school and held a zoom meeting about mass disaffiliation and eventually disbanding all Greek life at my school. Back. Well, graduated this semester so I’m an alumni but I digress. You act like there aren’t older people that live in IV who are at risk because students won’t stop partying. I think you can’t take this all out on Greeks. When the orgs are predominantly white and only take white girls (no matter how hard they claim diversity aka a phi and pi phi you're not fooling anyone) the "opportunities" and "networking" y'all claim is limited to white folks. Color me surprised. Also what do you mean by abolish? The Piazza family has been pushing for aggressive reform and pinpoints that as the key to success in changing Greek culture and avoiding another national tragedy. This boils down to a larger problem with local government at this point and taking it all out on Greeks is just simply not the answer honey. Has anyone else’s school have an abolish Greek life movement going on? It will be a test for Greek life and the Abolish Greek Life movement alike. it should def be a case by case basis and of course any frat that's been endangering the community should be punished. The movement argues that Greek life is exclusionary, racist and misogynist, and structurally resistant to important reforms due to the hierarchical nature of national Greek organizations. You don't need to funnel your donation money through your organization so they get a tax break, just donate it yourself. You hit the triple whammy by judging them for their race, body and “wealth”. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I just think that it is too late to abolish … Go outside, smell some fresh air, get some sun, and lighten your mood. I have enormous sympathy for unhoused folk in today's mess, and IV is kind and generous in many ways... the Pescadero Lofts, outreach through various programs, including the religious institutions in IV, which I support and volunteer at. I dont have any love for greek life but a lot of the arguments against it reek of sour grapes. Contact. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts In an email to The Collegian on July 9, IFC president Peter Corsiglia wrote that he cannot comment on the calls to abolish Greek Life at UR. IFC and Panhellenic are historically racist orgs that perpetuate systemic oppression of minorities, as they aren't as accessible to minorities. literally what the title says. There have been movements to dismantle the pay-to-play organizations at many campuses, but the efforts typically have been led by outsiders, Pinto said. More posts from the UCSantaBarbara community. They thrive off of discrimination. I get that it’s mostly white people, but I think that’s a bit condescending or disregarding of non white people in Greek Life that enjoy it. By Noor Fakih on October 27, 2020. i agree the greek system is massively fucked up but just bc a few frats and sororities are being dumb doesn't mean everyone associated w a frat (particularly pre-prof and multicultural frats) should get backlash as well. Read More. We must abolish it,” states a Change.org petition created by the Abolish Greek Life movement, which is made up largely of former fraternity and sorority members who have left their organizations in protest of what they say is the toxic and bigoted nature of historically White fraternities and sororities (HWFS). We must abolish it. For a better tomorrow, we must #AbolishGreekLife. How would abolishing Greek life solve any of these issues? Nobodies keeping you up night (and if they are knock on their door, and if it persists call the cops), the pandemic is staying regardless, and quite frankly you just sound like you don’t like Greek life because they annoy you. The Abolish Greek life movement that has been sweeping across the country has made its way to Tech. Nationwide calls to abolish Greek life are focused on the Interfraternity Council, with 25 men's fraternities and two co-ed fraternities at Penn, and the Panhellenic Council which is composed of eight women’s sororities at Penn. View Entire Discussion (149 Comments) It would not surprise me if I get downvoted for this. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Abolish Greek Life 5/28/19 Abolish Greek Life 5/28/19. But IV has the same issue, at a smaller rate. If they repeat, suspend them. If Greek life is truly about connecting with other people than the drinking and the partying don’t and shouldn’t be a regular thing. Fiji is recognized by the IFC now, they don’t throw parties as much because if they get one more issue arise from their parties they could get unrecognized. If you look outside you’ll also see it’s not just them, that half of IV is still partying, and getting rid of frats won’t stop that. To start, let's do a simple thought experiment and imagine a world in which fraternities were not a part of higher educat At least say 'suspend' greek life cuz of covid rather than just abolish. Login; ... abolish greek life by: agl Nov 28, 2020 11:13:15 AM. Uh oh, watch out Thad and Chad. I do think that the university could be stricter with regulating them (exactly how I don’t know), especially at a time like this. Welcome! Abolish NU IFC/PHA Greek Life has 297 photos and videos on their Instagram profile. it doesn't negate what greek life is doing. Many frats and sororities give a place for a lot of ppl to meet friends, bond, and do dope shit. I've been a regular rider on a lot of campus-adjacent lines, and while most drivers express a sense of general exasperation with all UCB students if you chat with them, they really dislike how the frat kids get come eveningtime and later. what about the aspiring physicians or lawyers in the pre-professional co ed frats that benefit from the resources these orgs provide? Abolish Greek Life. I know people personally who have been roofied, raped, sexually assaulted, etc... at frats and for their sake I will not be standing by idly. Vanderbilt’s Greek rush process, in which potential new members are sorted into fraternities and sororities, will conclude at the beginning of the upcoming spring semester. Sounds like you discriminated them based on what they choose to post on social media. The councils have about 1,400 members each. Not just people you agree with or like, *everyone/anyone*. My guess is that it would probably be more likely for their national organization to take away their charter so maybe just a lot of snitching when they party but there has to be a less tedious way. I also cannot be the only one that feels they need to go. I’m not in Greek but dude 0 UCSB students have been reported dead or seriously hospitalized due to reasons pertaining to covid. 2,733 Followers, 112 Following, 258 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Abolish Richmond Greek Life (@abolishrichmondgreeklife) That causes spread too... that is largely why Santa Maria, Lompoc, and the City of Santa Barbara have higher infection rates than IV. Catcalls, mostly- every time. You’ve clearly been bottled up at home since March. Students at Vanderbilt University are dropping out of their Greek organizations by the hundreds and demanding chapters disaffiliate from their national offices. Even if you aren’t in the roughly 40 percent of undergraduates who join a fraternity or sorority, their influence can be hard to escape, since they often dictate when the parties are, where the parties are, and exactly who’s invited. Im sure whatever sorority you decided not to rush really missed out on you gracing them with your presence. Abolish Greek Life. After Floyd’s killing in police custody and … Edit: It has come to my attention that this post is circulating around certain frats’ group chats, hence the sudden influx of negative messages. About. Gay guy in a fraternity, here. At Northwestern, the Greek system is the absolute authority on social life. This petition is a call to abolish Greek life (fraternities and sororities). The culture of sexual assault and the emphasis on conforming to fit into this system was unappealing to me from the start, but recently, as the Abolish Greek Life … What We Do Current Page: Chapters Projects Contact News Read Me Take Action Chapters. Press J to jump to the feed. We are college students, alumni, and activists who reject the continuation of fraternity and sorority life. Others also know they can come out, and we have had trans brothers in our organization. Folder: About. Cookies help us deliver our Services. News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. Any body is what the members make of it. Focus inward, not outward. and a low 3.0 average after having literal test banks and answer keys isn't that impressive either, please find a new hobby. IV has quite a few essential workers, in big families where big gatherings are both a joy and a necessity for survival in our rich/poor economy here. should chapters like the one i mentioned and the few others that have been monitoring covid be punished for reckless behavior of other chapters? 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